The collapse of a motorhome rental company with a history of rip-off complaints by customers has allegedly left up to 300 investors with losses of about £7 million.
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Theresa Stanbridge
26/11/2020 09:42:41 pm
I am one of about a hundred lenders, each of whom faces losing far more than may be recovered by the return of our illegally sold motorhomes. Recovery is a matter of mitigating a loss. Antony Batty have not provided the full terms related to selling vehicles – they are very specific and it is a fact that the officers of Unbeatablehire, Andrew Hughes and Karen Oakley, met NONE of the contracted conditions that legally would have allowed such sales.
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Lee Cartier
22/8/2021 11:04:42 pm
Hello I have been going through the fine print of the Mortgage agreement between unbeatable hire and the creditor on companies house
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Theresa Stanbridge
23/8/2021 02:26:18 am
I am afraid that you haven't looked closely enough - 8.4 that you do correctly quote is a subsection of 8 and 8 says:
Erica Mason
23/8/2021 06:39:51 pm
Hi Lee, thanks for pointing out the small print in the Ts and Cs, the buyers have also argued this to be the case. After all, they were informed that the vehicles would be replaced after 3 to 5 years due to wear and tear so anyone with a loan agreement that lasted longer than that would have realised that the original vehicle that their CM was based on would no longer be in the fleet. While they continued to receive interest on their investment they chose to ignore this fact. If the investors CM was so watertight , why havent they taken the buyers to court yet? Its been over a year since i received their solicitor's nasty letter demanding i hand over my motorhome. The only winner here is the solicitors firm acting on behalf of the investors. They've made an absolute fortune out of this whole sorry business. Irs shameful.
Theresa Stanbridge
23/8/2021 07:29:50 pm
I am afraid, Erica, that you continue to be very misinformed - what you say is completely incorrect. 23/8/2021 08:11:47 pm
Hello. Speaking as a lender rather than a buyer, we are all victims of this sorry saga and I have sympathy with all involved, and secondly, in response to Erica. Not all lenders were long term ones. We invested in January 2019. We went to a meeting with unbeatable hire in November 2019 and were told how well things were going. A couple of days before Christmas 2019 we had a letter saying the company was in administration. (Happy Christmas!) In January 2020 we were informed by the administrators that the vehicle our investment was secured against had been sold in March 2019 ! So, I am sorry Erica, but your argument that investors should have known their vehicles were sold just doesn't hold water.
Erica Mason
23/8/2021 08:35:54 pm
Lee, if the investors were so sure of their supposed 'watertight' CM , they would have taken us to court by now. Their solicitor is prevaricating, Why is that? After all the bullying and threatening letters he sent out a year ago, why hasn't he brought it to a head? Theresa thinks I'm misinformed, perhaps she would kindly say in what way? The only person to have benefitted from this terrible business is the solicitor - that's a fact. Which case is pending court action? let's get some facts and not just hot air!
An investor
23/8/2021 09:30:03 pm
Erica. It is a fact, there is a court case, but it is clearly not with someone in your group which is why you don't know about it. There are lots of people out there who are not in any group and are acting independently. Its a waiting game. The wheels of justice are moving very slowly but at some point there will be a resolution, which I am sure is what both sides want. You have been dealing with one aspect of this case this for a year, the investors longer and have had multiple battles to fight. They have been bombarded with issues, not only the vans that were sold . I hate the fact the the directors of this company have just walked away and are continuing with businesses whilst investors and buyers of UBH vehicles have been left to sort out the mess. 27/11/2020 09:14:23 am
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Ms Loftus
12/12/2020 12:38:19 am
Please could you forward my contact details onto Ms Mason as I have found myself in the same position as described in you article. Thank you
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Chris Williams
18/12/2020 08:44:51 am
Hi....I’m also in the same position so please forward my details to Erica.
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Chris Burden
27/12/2020 07:58:31 pm
Please pass my details onto Ms Mason. I am in the same position having purchased my vehicle from an Auction house in April 2018.
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stephen gray
1/1/2021 01:15:41 am
hi can you please pass on my details to ms Mason i received a letter from the police yesterday after buying my 26500 motor home in august from a private seller
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Erica Mason
15/1/2021 10:29:01 pm
Chris, please get in touch asap. [email protected]
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5/1/2021 12:38:58 pm
Sorry about the delay in responding.
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Chris Williams
5/1/2021 09:24:06 pm
Dear Steve
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Steve Turner
8/1/2021 06:21:13 am
I also purchased motorhome £24200.00 in 2018 it has now been repossessed by Nicolas Wannop as per my solicitor/barristers advise. Please get in touch if possible
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steve turner
9/1/2021 12:49:34 am
Hi Erica could you please get in touch thanks Steve
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Tina Harrison
11/1/2021 06:15:38 am
Hi, my husband & I have joined this thread due to being scammed by this despicable company .
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Erica Mason
15/1/2021 10:27:17 pm
Hi Tina, your solicitor is only looking at the Chattel mortgage as an old charge that is meant to be water tight. In these cases it is very likely that the Chattel mortgage is flawed for a number of reasons that I wont go into here. Please get in touch with me at the email address [email protected]. Please don't hand back your vehicle, you have every right to it. Cheers, Erica
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Theresa Stanbridge
18/1/2021 12:43:07 am
Please don't get your hopes up - the chattel mortgage is absolutely watertight and these vehicles belong to the lenders who paid them. Sadly it seems that some buyers are going to have to go to court to prove it and then they are going to face massive legal costs as well as the loss of the van that was illegally sold to them. I am really concerned that Erica has been Misinformed. The chattel mortgages in these cases are not flawed. Several independent solicitors and barristers have confirmed this very recently. Whilst I appreciate her sentiment she is misleading people and they risk losing even more of their money.
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Erica Mason
18/1/2021 08:13:35 pm
Bob Reynolds, I couldn't have put it better myself, you are absolutely spot on with your comments.
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Theresa Stanbridge
18/1/2021 08:39:49 pm
No one has been bullied - motorhomes have been returned on advice from counsel - several counsel saying the same.
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Dave Turner
19/1/2021 07:01:18 am
I bought one of these vans and Ive taken proper advice. Without giving away substance , it seems the CMs are not worth the paper they are written on . Ms Stanbridge and co are only chasing buyers as they know there is no money at the bank of UH - which is where their real claim lies. Stand firm people they will not go to court , they stand to lose to much and money is all these greedy people understand.
James Kitto
12/11/2021 05:15:20 am
I was also the innocent purchaser of a motorhome from unbeatable hire in 2019 for nearly £26k.
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Over 300 people each invested app, £35,000 with U/H allowing them to purchase a new M/H worth app £48,000 from Chausson at trade price, U/H were therefore the owner and registered keeper of each van, but the investor had a ‘lean’ against their M/H and security was by means of a Chattel Mortgage, this together with a legally binding agreement signed by both sides, stating that the borrower could sell the M/H but must simultaneously (a) repay the investor their money or (b) replace with a M/H of similar value, and as we all know U/H MD Mr Hughes decided to sell a good number of vans via eBay and by other means to innocent purchasers who thought they were getting a good deal, unfortunately HPI checks and similar are not able to track the existence of a C/M something that Hughes was probably aware of, these spurious van sales had been going on for years, the investors certainly had no knowledge as their interest payments were received on time, every month without fail, until December 2019 when U/H called in the Administrator’s, so it is Hughes that the band of innocent buyers should be chasing down for recompense, as he was the one who disregarded the terms of the agreement, and pocketed nearly a million pounds in fraudulent sales, the investors are as innocent a party in this sordid affair as the buyers that Erica represents, no point in directing anger and insults at the investors, what else are they supposed to do ? sit back and take the loss ? all they can do is follow the legal route to effect repatriation of their £35,000 investment, Cambridge police can see the full picture regarding Hughes activities, hence their letters received by the buyers, the target for recompense is Hughes.
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Theresa Stanbridge
19/1/2021 12:53:29 am
Unbeatablehire was not the owner - they had possession of the motorhomes subject to continuing to pay interest on the loans or to repaying the loans. Once those had both ceased full ownership reverted to the lender.
Alan
19/1/2021 06:47:53 am
UH paid for them , had their name on the docs, held all keys , tracked them, insured them, serviced them , hired them , sold them as opposed to investors who invested in the business in exchange for "interest"
Cantona
20/1/2021 09:13:23 am
Anyone that believes that UH properly insured and serviced their vehicles is clearly delusional!
Alan
19/1/2021 05:57:45 am
Theresa , unbeatable hire was absolutely the owner. The company bought the vans brand new and registered them in the company name, your investments were well short of the purchase price. You didnt even know the registration numbers. Please stop misleading people.
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Real Bob Reynolds
19/1/2021 12:19:15 am
The person posting comments above as Bob Reynolds is using a false ID and is too scared to use his /her own name which tells you a lot about them and their views.
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Chris Burden
19/1/2021 08:50:06 am
The treads on this forum have deteriorated. I am one of the buyers of a Van, purchased through an auction and had no idea of the seller until it was purchased. I have sympathy for both sides of the argument and the way these chattel mortgages are recorded/registered is simply not good enough for ordinary people and changes are required. The owners of UBH are the ones who are responsible andd are the ones the investors need to target for any losses but investments can go wrong and that risk is part and parcel of seeking better returns on your money than the bank can offer.
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And this is why it will end in court and only the solicitors will end up in pocket. The only wrong do-er here is unbeatable hire for selling vehicles that were not theirs to sell !!
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Richard
19/1/2021 08:35:56 pm
Rather than offer an uninformed opinion on Ownership/Legal Title and how it applies in a Chattel Mortgage, may I suggest a little research. Google search produces definitions and explanations on many reputable websites.
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Glyn Norris. Depends what you say I suppose, it is the written word after all ! Personally I am disappointed that this thread has dissolved into ridiculous personal accusations. None of which are particularly helpful to anyone and some completely inaccurate and unhelpful. It is a legal problem that will be decided in court. As far as I can tell everyone is a victim, there is no them and us ! It will come down to a point of law.
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Chris Burden
19/1/2021 10:01:30 pm
Well said Chris! Everyone is a victim and there is no need for the comments flying around this forum!
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Real Bob Reynolds
19/1/2021 10:07:35 pm
Very true Chris. One other point to remember is that not all buyers of ex hire vehicles from UBH are at risk . If you buy an ex UBH vehicle ask seller for written proof of ownership and that it is free from any Chattel Mortgage. Many of these motorhomes were sold in 2020 by investors who recovered their assets.They are great value as those who bought them know.
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Richard
19/1/2021 10:02:03 pm
Posting vitriolic comments clearly intended to provoke/upset people does not add anything useful or informative to the subject. Ultimately the blog will become irrelevant.
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19/1/2021 10:22:50 pm
Indeed - lots of comments and claims that cannot be verified made by people who's real identity and motives are unclear!
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Cantona
22/1/2021 10:19:43 pm
If needed, and if a precedent is set, then I'm sure the affected owners would, however, judging by the results already achieved, it appears court action may be unnecessary.
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Jeremy Tyrrell
3/2/2021 09:35:59 am
Have posted that we were investors and have lost £10,000 on investment. We also bought second hand van from UBH and have now found that there is still a Chattel Mortgage attached to it.
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David
9/4/2021 10:29:42 pm
We have only just received a solicitors letter concerning the Motorhome we purchased from Unbeatable Hire. Has anyone progressed as far as court to defend the action or settled some other way.
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Erica Mason
10/4/2021 12:02:54 am
Hi David, I don't believe there has been a court case yet, unless Theresa Stanbridge confirms otherwise. It would appear that the solicitors are busy raking in fees from all the new cases .....
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Hello David. I don’t want to get into another slanging match, which is what happened on this blog when it was active in the past, but just to let you know 7 vans have been returned to the respective chattels mortgage holder, after buyers took legal advice. Several more are in late stages of negotiations between CM holders and the innocent buyers and some court summonses are under preparation. I probably won’t make any more comments as it got really nasty last time and personal insults were hurled at the unfortunate victims on both sides. And that is what everyone involved in this sorry mess is, a victim of Andrew Hughes and unbeatable hire. It’s not personal, it just boils down to what the law says. I wish everyone would be kind and respectful to each other but I realise emotions are high.
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Crikey! Erica, that is an interesting development, as an investor the ‘wear & tear ‘ scenario is news to me, I certainly was not informed of this verbally or by letter by UBH, perhaps you have a copy of the relevant document that you could post for me to view ?
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Theresa Stanbridge
24/8/2021 06:12:59 pm
Good point Doreen - I've never seen anything of the sort either
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Mervyn pickard
26/9/2021 02:52:58 am
And they are still selling motorhomes that probably have charges against them.
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Erica Mason
24/12/2021 10:40:29 pm
Merry Christmas everyone. Some good news to put you in the festive spirit. After a long and drawn out legal battle with a large finance company, the innocent buyer on the receiving end has just been informed that the Finance Company has dropped the case. Having consulted with the top barristers, it seems they were unable to prove any wrong doing on the part of the buyer and that he did indeed have legal title. For those of you who have been bullied into relinquishing your motorhomes with threats of financial ruin if you didn't, take heart. The intimidation tactics were not substantiated by a court ruling - you may be able to get your legally purchased motorhomes back. Phil harmer at Stormcatchers is the barrister to contact to initiate proceedings to retrieve your property. I hope that brings some Christmas cheer to those of you who have been put through the ringer over the last 18 months. Here's to a happy New year! X
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A lender
24/12/2021 11:46:15 pm
I think you might like to check the facts Erica - you have been misled. The case was not dropped for want of certainty of winning. In fact the legal arguments for the finance company - and for all the lenders - are rock solid, as you will soon discover. Someone is not being honest with you.
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Erica Mason
25/12/2021 02:23:37 am
Hi " a lender" , if you are so sure of your position, why are you hiding behind a pseudonym?
A Lender
25/12/2021 03:43:38 am
Because am speaking for all of us. An individual name is not relevant - we are all in the same boat. And whether you know my name or not - the facts are the same. You have been duped by someone whose pride won't allow him to tell you the truth.
Erica Mason
25/12/2021 04:42:29 am
All of us? Really?! Why are you continuing with this charade? You have been complicit in hoodwinking the investors into thinking they have a strong position, convincing them to part with their money in waging a war against innocent folk rather than going after the real villain. Shame on you for maintaining this position for so long, the investors deserve the truth and not ra ra spin.
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25/12/2021 05:45:10 am
Oh Erica please ! There are two sides to every story. No one has been hoodwinked ! And no one but you is waging war ! The lenders have every sympathy with the buyers and have tried very hard not to make it personal, they are recovering their security, that is all. The buyers on the other hand have been very rude about the investors from the very beginning, branding them as greedy rich people. That is just not true, most are neither rich nor greedy. If your motor home was stolen from you and the police found it had been sold to someone else, would you just say “oh let them have it, it’s not their fault” or would you try to get it back ?
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Erica Mason
25/12/2021 06:29:58 am
This is a pointless argument, your reasoning is very flawed. I'm not going to get involved in any further discussion with you.
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25/12/2021 08:46:54 am
And there in lies the problem 🙄
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Chris W
15/6/2022 11:38:51 pm
It's all gone very quiet. Where have all the threatened legal actions gone? Stormchasers have been chasing for investor to p*** or get off the pot with no response, The last post from investor 2 asking for an adult discussion after their lawyers sent threatening and accusing us buyers of involvement in theft and fraud seems a bit disingenuous tbh.
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DAVID
26/10/2022 11:46:49 pm
UPDATE; JUST TO INFORM EVERYONE THERE WAS ONLY ONE CASE BROUGHT ,WHICH WAS DROPPED WHEN THE CLAIMANTS REALISED THEY COULDNT WIN. NO FURTHER CASES HAVE BEEN BROUGHT AND IN FACT IT IS OVER 12 MONTHS NOW SINCE ANY OF THE BUYERS GROUP HAD ANY CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE INVESTORS SOLICITOR . HOWEVER THEY HAVE NOT OFFICIALLY WITHDRAWN THEIR CLAIMS , RATHER CONTINUE TO MENTALY TORTURE THE INNOCENT BUYERS MANY OF WITH ARE QUITE ELDERLY I TRUE COLOURS SHOWN !
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Erica
21/6/2023 07:55:59 pm
Happy summer solstice everyone.
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Good Advice
18/3/2024 09:27:12 pm
This case, reported yesterday, shows very clearly that being an innocent buyer and buying in good faith do not counter legal ownership.
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15/12/2024 07:59:30 am
Thank you for sharing this insightful post. It presents an excellent perspective on the topic.
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